I run a small business and I would like to accept credit / debit card payments on my Android phone running #GrapheneOS
Does anyone know of an app or paired terminal which will work?
SumUp asked me to turn off Developer Tools, but still said the device didn't meet the security requirements for accepting payments.
They offer a Bluetooth paired card reader - but I don't want to spend £30 if it won't work with Graphene.
Anyone have experience *receiving* tap-to-pay on their GrapheneOS device?
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in reply to Terence Eden • • •stand a little out of my sun 🍉
in reply to Terence Eden • • •I am going to assume that the pedophile class will not allow you to receive payments though a device they can't spy on you from.
Your best move is probably one of those tablet cash register situations. That way you can keep all of their spyware on that device.
Of you could buy a used ATM, set it up in your shop and charge them a fee to get cash. It could save you on credit card fees...
Terence Eden
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in reply to Terence Eden • • •Hugh 🚧 EMF ☎️ 4844
in reply to Terence Eden • • •If it helps, SumUp sell standalone terminals (which are more expensive) but work very well. We use them unattended across the hackspace.
If you wanted to try a £30 terminal, Screwfix sell them and have a pretty generous returns policy.
Terence Eden
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sorry to come late to this, but have you tried the wee terminal with a graphene phone? any joy?
i've been facing the same prospect for taking card payments
Terence Eden
in reply to Liv Plastic / O.Online • • •I haven't, sorry.
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in reply to Terence Eden • • •Or a collection like this, depending on what you're trying to achieve...
(None of these need phones to work, but all of them except the SumUp Terminal can be paired with apps running on phones if necessary. That's not my interest in them — I use them with point of sale systems. The Square Terminal on the right is one of the ones we used on the bar at EMF in 2024.)
Jordan
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in reply to Jordan • • •@thedarkener how do you know that Graphene is more secure?
If you're a bank and having to deal with huge amounts of fraud, how would you verify that Graphene meets your security requirements?
Like, I'm quite happy to use it. But I'm not going to lose millions if they get compromised.
Jordan
in reply to Terence Eden • • •Dude, are you trolling or what?
Your profile shows that you're into F/OSS. You should already know the answers to these questions.
Terence Eden
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I *do* know the answers to these questions. I've written extensively about it.
See, for example, shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/05/the-l…
Just because the OS is "built with security in mind" doesn't mean that it needs the regulatory needs of a bank.
The limits of General Purpose Computation
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in reply to Terence Eden • • •1) Security
2) Regulatory needs of a bank
These two things are not synonymous.
Terence Eden
in reply to Jordan • • •Yes! Exactly. That's the point I make in my blog post.
Glad we're on the same page.
abeorch
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in reply to abeorch • • •The banks'. That isn't a contentious question. It is their money at risk. They have to refund users. They get to choose their risk profile.
shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/05/the-l…
The limits of General Purpose Computation
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Credit Unions aren't exempt from KYC checks. Like any financial institution, they can be liable if things go wrong.
I'm very pro FOSS and GrapheneOS. But I wouldn't expect a regulated financial institution or their insurers to be so blasé.
But, if you decide to set up a credit union, I'll happily join it.
abeorch
in reply to Terence Eden • •I think its more about doing things in a way that work for tech people. Say using a website as primary interface rather than an app.. allowing key based api access etc.
They can still do #kyc
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