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Is the amount of Lemmy activity declining?


I joined during the first Reddit exodus, and it seemed like for ages the amount of Lemmy content was generally increasing (sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly, but overall increasing). Now it seems that when I sort by New, I get through everything since my last visit much more quickly than I used to. Is that my imagination, or is the activity declining?
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I'm not in a country with the age verification thing, but has it been turned on for Lemmy servers?
in reply to CocaineShrimp

I don't know, but I was thinking it might be causing people to be less online generally, even if Lemmy itself isn't a problem. I wonder what the Lemmy NSFW people are doing.
in reply to CocaineShrimp

I don't know of any servers that have started to verify ages, but some have started to geoblock countries whose laws require it.
in reply to CocaineShrimp

UK user here, several big lemmy instances are unavailable for me apart from when I'm on erm holiday
in reply to BeefandSquints

Fewer things are sadder than the reality of the Internet compared to what we envisioned early on.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

It's perhaps the greatest tragedy of my lifetime, I'm truly not exaggerating. We went from the free sharing of the majority of human knowledge to forcing people to sell their souls for YouTube money.
in reply to BeefandSquints

I feel the same way. I was a CS major in the early 80s. I watched the internet become something amazing, and then I watched it rot. Heartbreaking.
in reply to Skavau

Right, but I'm assuming there's a nontrivial number of UK users.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Well there's an amount, but it wouldn't have much impact on the Fediverse as there's no age-ID here.
in reply to Skavau

Therefore to comply, the server would relocate or go offline.
in reply to frongt

Lemmy.zip is the only notable instance to have done this. Mostly because the owner is based in the UK.
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in reply to BeefandSquints

I was just thinking everything seems to either be in decline, stagnation, or regression.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I'm relatively new here, the only negative thing I notice is mods/creators reposting the same stuff every ~6-24 hours to make it 'seem' like there is more activity, which I think backfires more than not.
in reply to lowspeedchase

Are you sure you arent seeing posts of the same community being hosted from other instances? Ive been here a while and havent seen any reposting within the same community of the same instance. (Or atleast not repetitively.)
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in reply to lowspeedchase

If you mean the "how is your day going so far" type of posts, I don't think those are meant to be deceptive so much as to generate engagement by placing the post into people's subscribed feeds.

But if you mean the same identical post, that's not great - perhaps you want to unsubscribe from communities that do or even allow such practices.

in reply to OpenStars

I love the little personal threads. Im not sure if they exist on other platforms but its one of my favourite things about lemmy so far.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I think Lemmy needs a better way to federate communities, so if you sub to say a "Star Trek" community on 3 instances, you don't get the same post 3 times, but instead it's somehow linked and content federates; this would be at the community and not instance level, so there's more community self-governance, and communities can migrate instances without so much intervention from instance admins. I think that will really help growth and decentralization.
in reply to surfrock66

What about that issue do you think is causing less activity? Just people not wanting to engage as much because of the redundancy?
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Yea, if people get too annoyed seeing the same story in 4 communities, I think eventually they consolidate down to one, and the fracturing reduces engagement across ALL the communities; a couple become ghost towns, etc. It's a different sense of engagement to see 4 threads with 2-4 comments instead of seeing 1 with 20.
in reply to surfrock66

I'm trying to relate that to the experience back on Reddit, where the same thing happened. Didn't seem to hinder growth. But often people would abandon the smaller versions of the communities for the larger ones.
in reply to artiman

mbin also will group multiple posts with the same link or the same title together. Occasionally, this means a months old post with the same (simple) title will show up, but I'm okay with that.
in reply to surfrock66

The whole point of federation is a variety of moderation styles so it doesn't really make sense to federate in comments from other communities because it would take away any identity that exists
in reply to surfrock66

People always complain about this but Lemmy does actually combine crossposts in your feed. What frontend are you using? Or maybe it's just bugged? If someone can figure out the bug and how to reproduce it, it needs to be submitted to GitHub.

Here's a reference to the feature, a fixed bug, disabling the deduplication for a single community view github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/i…

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in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I haven't seen activity declining, but I have seen good quality posts declining I have been seeing more low quality posts recently
in reply to artiman

Usually whenever I want to make a post, I think back to the comments I typically receive and think better of doing so, then don't.

I'm sure this is happening elsewhere too, e.g. on Reddit, though balanced by a much larger user base (and ofc bots doing a lot of the actual posting, and sometimes the commenting as well).

I probably should comment less often too:-). Really, touching grass and talking with people irl is much more fulfilling.

in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Naa, looks about the same. Im seeing more and more people step outside of lemmy though, this is nice. Theres a whole fediverse out there,go out and explore! And bring back cookies (and links)!
in reply to frongt

Thank you, I had been looking for actual data and couldn't find it. You're right, does not seem to be declining.

I wonder if there an increasing percentage of bot posts, since I have prolific bot accounts blocked.

I wonder what's up with that number of servers decline.

in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I wonder what’s up with that number of servers decline.


Consolidation? Which is fine to that extent.

I'd wager many experimented with hosting a younger Lemmy, and hosts who couldn't sustain it got shaken out over time.

I wouldn't assume the rise in posts/comments is all bots, either. I don't have anyone blocked, and it doesn't feel overrun to me.

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in reply to brucethemoose

Yeah, it would figure that if the activity is flat but the number of servers is declining that it's either consolidation or that people are abandoning very small instances.
in reply to brucethemoose

Some of it had to do with there not being enough admins to go around afaik. Lemm.ee for instance couldn’t find enough admins so they shut down. Moderating an instance seems like one of the hurdles that go along with running an instance. I could imagine some people dipped out of Lemmy for a little while if their server was deleted since they’re starting from scratch again. It took me a good month or so to make this account and ramp back up my own activity here for instance.

The admins across the servers do a good job of keeping bots out imo. If it ever becomes a problem the admins could look to adopt BlueSky’s moderation tools down the line, I feel. As BlueSky makes it easy to filter bots, misinformation spreaders, and have user level content controls.

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in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Also keep an eye on: piefed.fediverse.observer/stat… A couple thousand people (and several communities) moved there after lemm.ee died, but we interact with lemmy.

As for why it subjectively seems to be declining... maybe you know what you're gonna see in New, and so you engage less with posts? Maybe it's time to be more of a poster!

in reply to Sergio

I noticed on the redditalternatives subreddit whenever someone mentions Lemmy and someone else is like "I didnt like it because of XYZ" someone else will often say "you should look into Piefed its much better"

Which is funny to me but at least it's working!

in reply to James R Kirk

And if they don't like PieFed then tell them to try Mbin next lol
in reply to Sergio

As for why it subjectively seems to be declining… maybe you know what you’re gonna see in New, and so you engage less with posts?


I don't think so. For ages (maybe two years) I'll sometimes sit in bed in the morning and browse New until I hit the stuff I saw previously. That used to take me well over an hour - maybe two - but now it takes less than thirty minutes.

in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Total Lemmy Active Users by Month

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There's a big spike during summer time. On reddit it was known as summer reddit. Basically all of the kids are out of school and have nothing better to do but shitpost online. Now they're going back to school. It could be the lack of different users you're noticing. Not sure why it dipped in July though, should have dipped in August.

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in reply to Coelacanth

Ah, good point. Forgot about that. That's probably it.

The slight dip so far this month could be the beginning of the end of the summer Lemmy. Schools just started this week near me, and green is 30 day users so it should take 30 days for that to fully drop.

in reply to fuckwit_mcbumcrumble

Yeah, agreed. Between lemm.ee closing leading to people moving over to Piefed in droves and Summer Lemmy coming to an end I don't see anything concerning in the data I think.
in reply to fuckwit_mcbumcrumble

Fediverse Observer says Piefed MAU were 352 in May, 1068 in June and 1615 in July. So thats a rise of ~1300 people in two months.
in reply to fuckwit_mcbumcrumble

Is this users on a lemmy instance or users on any type of activitypub server engaging with lemmy communities? ive stopped using my lemmy account because I just subscribed to those communities from my friendica account

Fediverse reshared this.

in reply to frongt

I would call that flat, not linear. Linear implies a non exponential increase. This looks flat.
in reply to jackalope

I specifically said linear and not flat because it is a non-exponential increase.

You could say the rate of posts is flat, but the data series is posts, not rate of posts.

in reply to frongt

If i'm not mistaken, the very last graph showing posts by month shows a significant decreasing over the summer, or at least specifically july (since august is not over yet). It says June is around 12M posts and July around 9M. August seems already over 9M and we're only 2/3 in, so maybe there was some drop around July for some reason, which could explain OP's feeling.

As for the reason, i'm not sure, maybe a combination of factors like some server blocking access from UK with the latest privacy bullshit, some server having signficant downtime (i think slrpnk.net had a problem with servers locking themselves up while tech admin was abroad), and maybe non-Lemmy factors like holidays (though they don't seem to impact previous years stats).

in reply to frongt

Looking at the more detailed breakdowns, it looks like there are a couple of servers (Lemmit.online, alien.top among others) with huge numbers of posts/comments that appear to be entirely bots. Are those counted in the stats? Could those be messing with the overall graphs? If Lemmit's quarter of a million posts a month are counted, its going to make the monthly posts stat useless when even .world only has about 15k posts a month.

Edit: Comparing the graphs to the server list, it looks like Lemmit is counted, so the main graph is likely misleading. I did look through some of the bigger servers, and their rate of posting seemed fairly linear, but there isn't a good way to check overall.

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in reply to frongt

Yeah, OP. Ten million posts a month isn’t good enough for you?!?
in reply to TheMinister

It's not 10 millions created during a month, it's 10 millions existing posts at a certain month, whatever their creation date.

The actual number of posts per month would be the different between the total number of posts between two months.

in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Hardly bothers me. I’ll be scrolling for maybe 2 minutes and reach yesterdays posts, get caught up. It’s nice to be on social media where you aren’t constantly scrolling.
in reply to lasers4eyes

Okay, but that sounds like you're experiencing the same thing I am: there are fewer posts. But the data says there's not. Very strange.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Oh for me it’s been like this since I first signed up.

But if you really think theres too few posts maybe thats a good call for you to start posting? :)

in reply to lasers4eyes

Same. I feel like Lemmy is really a lot like early Reddit (pre 2012) and the sizes of the communities are perfect. You can actually contribute to a discussion instead of drowning in 20k inane joke posts.

Some niches remain underpopulated but I feel like this will eventually rectify itself as the more critical and thoughtful people move away from vapid platforms like Reddit, FB or IG. We'll continue to welcome them with open arms.

in reply to Kyrgizion

Totally agree. It's way more conversation here, you had no chance really talking on reddit unless it was a small sub. I like that you get to know people here as well
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Perhaps the closure of Lemm.ee took away some of the quantity and variety of posts and communities?
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I don't know how to check for the whole lemmy but seems it's growing a bit but the MAU dropped a bit probably because of august: fedidb.com/servers/lemmy.world

But the fediverse in general doesn't grow too much except when a scandal happens.

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in reply to 4Robato

Watch out, the statistics might not say what you think they do.

"Total users" is a meaningless metric. All it showes is how many users aren't using lemmy anymore.

"Monthly active users" is the only meaningful metric, and it's fluctuating and currently going down.

"Activity growth" doesn't actually show the number of new activities per month, but the total count of activities. So with constant activity you'd expect linear "activity growth" and with growing activity you'd see the line curling upward. It is currently mostly linear but slightly declining.

So these statistics show a slow decline, not an increase.

But in a way you can be happy that it doesn't grow a lot. With the base architecture of ActivityPub (every instance contains a copy of everything, all content needs to be propagated to all instances, all content needs to be duplicate-moderated by all instances' admins) it is absolutely not designed to handle large amount of users.

If only a tenth of a percent of Reddit users were to switch over to Lemmy, everything would grind to a halt and most instances would have to close down because running them would become to expensive for a non-profit project.

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in reply to squaresinger

The user you are replying to has specifically sourced lemmy.world data there, which is not going to give you an overall for the wider fediverse.
in reply to Skavau

This here is a better source: lemmy.fediverse.observer/daily…

That's all of lemmy over the last 1000 days.

Most important takeaways:

  • Active users tend to only grow during special events (usually "Reddit pulls some new shit") and then declines slowly as people fade back out.
  • When instances close, users tend to just disappear (as when Lemmy.ee closed down). The Lemmy.ee users seem to have just disappeared instead of migrated to another instance.
  • Number of active servers is in a strict decline. Apart from the initial rush, smaller instances seem to go down and don't get replaced. Most users seem to prefer to use big instances.
  • Comments again shows the total number of comments available, not new comments coming in. As you can see, the angle of the curve gets slightly flatter over time, meaning that activity drops. It also shows well that when instances get closed down lots of content just disappears.
  • Posts also shows a similar decline, though even stronger than comments.
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in reply to squaresinger

When instances close, users tend to just disappear (as when Lemmy.ee closed down). The Lemmy.ee users seem to have just disappeared instead of migrated to another instance.


I suggest you look at the piefed activity indicator for more context here.

A big chunk of the lemm.ee base went here, and its gaining servers where Lemmy is losing them.

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in reply to Skavau

Yeah, that makes sense. Though still Lemmy.ee's closure is a drop of ~4500 monthly active users while piefed only totals ~1700 monthly active users in total.
in reply to squaresinger

Oh yes, it has some impact - but the slow decline of Lemmy instance activity has to be contextualised with whats going on Piefed (and to a lesser extent: Mbin)
in reply to Skavau

Kbin exists as well, unless something changed since the last time I looked.

But one thing is for certain: The whole field isn't growing right now.

in reply to squaresinger

Sure, but it's not at the level of decline some doom about here. It's mostly stable.
in reply to Skavau

Yeah, that's true.

What is a bit of a fact though is that Lemmy and the other Lemmy-likes are basically a set of forums and not a Reddit killer.

In fact, all of Lemmy's and Lemmy-likes' usage statistics combined are about comparable with the Crackberry forum or the LTT forum.

in reply to squaresinger

Yeah one has to be careful with statistics and I couldn't find the whole Lemmy in one place so it's also not representative of the whole Lemmy.

I thought ActivityPub did scale well and was ATProto (Bluesky) which had a lot more issues. I mean I can comment on Peertube using my Mastodon account meaning the whole Fediverse is properly connected and we are 1M MAU so I would say it already scaled good.

in reply to 4Robato

Here's all of fediverse: lemmy.fediverse.observer/daily…

Also remember, though it says 'daily' in the title, that only refers to that the stats are grouped by day. They are still total numbers (e.g. total number of posts that are available on that day, not number of new posts created that day).

Lemmy has the big issue that each instance needs to cache the whole content of each community any user of that instance ever subscribed to. Since Reddit-style platforms only make sense if there are huge communities that means that the biggest communities have most of the traffic while being subscribed to by most instances. That means that most instances have copies of most content.

Same goes with moderation. Since every instance holds a copy of the content, each instance's operator is liable for illegal content stored on their server, and most instance operators also want their moderation guidelines enforced across the whole instance, even for content coming from other instances, so each instance needs to moderate all content. Content moderation on one instance is not propagated to other instances (unless the moderation happens on the host instance of the community), so you end up with moderators of dozens of instances each having to individually e.g. delete the same post.

This is already such a strain that e.g. Lemmy.ee got shut down because it was just so much work and money doing all of that, and that's with a miniscule amount of ~40k monthly active users across all of Lemmy. Compare that to the 1.2 billion monthly active users on Reddit. If we only got a tenth of a percent of all Reddit users over to Lemmy, the whole system would come crashing down.

in reply to squaresinger

Aah I didn't knew this issue from Lemmy, really interesting. Creating a decentralized platform raises many new challenges that are hard to solve!

Now I get why piefed approaches moderation in a different manner and tries to be more resource friendly.

Thanks for the info! Really interesting stuff :)

in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I've definately noticed it too. I've tried to look for stats, and most seem to indicate that there is plenty of activity, but I dont really see it. At this point, I can scroll through the day's all feed in like 20 minutes, nonetheless my subscribed feed. I kind-of wonder if theres one or two instances with a lot of bot activity effectively inflating the numbers.

Edit: Is there a way to see monthly posts by instance, or compare percentage of posts? That would be an easy way to prove or disprove my bots theory.

Edit 2: fediverse.observer shows monthly (Or rather, total by month) local posts by instance but not federated, and their overall stats are warped by a few bot instances that you can't filter out. That said, for local posts on a few of the big instances, the rate seems stable. That said, smaller instances are shutting down so I don't know if that has an impact on the overall posting rate.

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in reply to PlzGivHugs

I said that in July instance admins said it's often quieter over summer
in reply to Lady Butterfly she/her

I'd expect that, although I've noticed this trend continuing (and seemingly getting worse) for months now.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I don't think it is, maybe we are due for another growth spurt but from here on out I genuinely think a critical mass has been achieved where it will simply make more and more sense for people to come here.

I do think we face a real inertia right now where the general public has become convinced corporate social media sucks because people suck not because corporations suck and we need to refute that misconception if we want the fediverse to have a vibrant future.

It is really frustating how evidently unhappy most users of corporate social media are about their social media use, yet they show no signs of stopping and when you start to provide an alternate vision of social media they immediately shortcircuit to "social media is bad, I don't want more".

I do think if we don't start pushing back with an affirmative positive vision of why social media can be good we may see a period of depressed growth but I don't see that happening yet personally.

in reply to supersquirrel

I don't think it is, maybe we are due for another growth spurt but from here on out I genuinely think a critical mass has been achieved where it will simply make more and more sense for people to come here.


Maybe for English and a handful of major European languages, but there's no way I could recommend the Fediverse (at least the Threadverse; I don't hang out on Mastodon) to an Arabic or Japanese speaker. In that area it's still severely lacking.

in reply to NoneOfUrBusiness

Good point, my bad I was unconciously assuming we were talking about the english speaking part of the internet, but yeah definitely.
in reply to NoneOfUrBusiness

Yep! I've been trying to find someone to do a non white make up post for !Womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone I've got nowhere
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

The stats say the userbase is increasing, but it also feels like there's been a lot less content being posted recently.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Your instance, lemmy.ca has blocked or defederated from a significantly high number of other servers. So that's the reason
in reply to BaroqueInMind

You may want to check the list of instances defederated by your PieFed instance out then as it may by much longer that on lemmy.ca...
in reply to Kierunkowy74

I'm on the official PieFed instance and I am totally fine with their current defederation policy, because so far I haven't corresponded with any trolls since the beginning of my account creation.
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in reply to BaroqueInMind

Hmm, my original account is on .world, but I started using this alt because it got slow. Maybe I should try browsing new there and seeing if it makes a difference.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Could be your instance not federatinv with everything.

I blocked half of fedi as such as DNC whores over at lemmy wrld and shepooh cock riders on ml

Still get a decent trickle.

in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

It's summer, a few active posters are busy with either kids or time off

!fedigrow@lemmy.zip has a weekly thread for active posters, it used to be more active in June

It's fine, people will probably come back in September

in reply to Blaze (he/him)

!


It's funny though, because someone else said activity spikes in the summer because kids are out of school.

in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I saw it, but I'm not sure it's correct as the graph in that comment shows a dip rather than a spike

Also, most of the kids today are mostly on Tiktok or Twitch rather than text-based forum, be it Reddit or Lemmy/Piefed

in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

When I run out of stuff to see on Lemmy, I touch grass. Simple as.

I feel way more in control of my online experience when endless scrolling isn't possible.

in reply to AstralPath

This might seem like a clever way to say "sour grapes" to me. Saying that "little content is good because it avoids endless scrolling" is as weird as saying "living in the desert is good because it helps me control my diet".

To address the point: activity seems very much slowed down, and we have two years since the Reddit "exodus" and very little progress to show. We are yet to convert any significant significant community, most people just accepted the status quo and you can bet that the few active people around here still rely on Reddit to find content and repost here.

Aside from this meta-discussion about Lemmy and the Fediverse, there is basically no native group or community emerging.

in reply to AstralPath

This is why I haven't touched grass in a while. I see so much content on here than when I first started
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

I’m doing my part! Just joined a couple days ago. Thought I could stick with Reddit but it got too far to the right for me. They crossed a line I can’t ignore, but I like the format, so I’m here. I knew Reddit was going to be winding down soon so I didn’t put as much effort in. I’d like to start a couple communities here, whereas I wouldn’t have tried over there. I just hope the toxic people who run the communities there don’t see what I’m doing and try to invade. I mean we could use the numbers but not the toxicity — though I feel that that comes with any influx of new users.
in reply to cerebralhawks

Well, welcome aboard! It's pretty good here. Fewer bots, fewer trolls, more civil conversation. I hope it works for you.
in reply to AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)

Thank you! I’m mostly treating it like “Reddit but for left leaning people” and enjoying learning the differences.
in reply to cerebralhawks

Yeah, it is that. I'm way left leaning, but I actually wish Lemmy was more of a cross section. I'm not sorry to see the total assholes on the far right not here (or not very vocal), but I don't prefer an echo chamber.
in reply to cerebralhawks

Welcome! While you are still looking around, you may want to check out PieFed as well & e.g. piefed.zip/ . It offers tons of features that Lemmy lacks, like categories of communities, which are user customizable and shareable, flairs (both user and post), polls, combining together all cross-posts across all communities, etc. Check it out and prepare to just fall in love with it!:-)

Even better, while Lemmy is written in the Rust language and adds features at the timescale of multiple years (not joking here) whereas PieFed is written in Python and adds new stuff literally weekly. So the gap in feature sets, instead of ever closing, will only continue to widen over time.

Although if you are going to stay with Lemmy, you would be hard pressed to find a better one than what you are on now. Fortunately, you may not have to choose, if it opens up a PieFed instance by the same people (discussion).

in reply to OpenStars

So let me see if I understand you correctly. The "one I'm on now" you refer to in the third paragraph, meaning dbzer0, is an instance of Lemmy (along with others) that are federated (loosely united) together in the same feed.

You're on piefed.social, so you're federated with dbzer0 and the other Lemmy feeds. So it's not like you're on a whole other federated social network like Bluesky (which is more like Twitter whereas Lemmy is more like Reddit). But it has different programming, so you can access more/different features from your end than I can on mine, but we still have access to the same communities?

Still kinda struggling to understand how fediverse stuff works.

in reply to Kierunkowy74

Thanks! I went and followed the discussion link the other guy posted. I saw one concern — the handling of voting. But someone/some people are going behind a lot of those comments and saying they fixed it based on user feedback. So that's good. I also feel I understand the two (Lemmy and Piefed) and their relationship a bit more.

If it sounds like I'm a bit eager to learn, it's because I like to help others, but to do that I have to understand things first.

in reply to cerebralhawks

Yup, as said already, exactly like that.

Most social media these days is a single system / platform, like Facebook or Reddit. Federated media is rather like email where whichever service you send it from (Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, etc.), the recipient receives it and you don't need to care about exactly how.

I feel that analogy is overly simplistic, and leaves people baffled as to what defederation means. So instead I like the idea that federation is akin to ships (pirate or free trade) passing messages around - some captains have beef with other captains and refuse to talk with them, but otherwise you have access to the entire network of all messages.

It does get slightly more complicated when you rise up above the forum-based "Threadiverse" (Lemmy, PieFed, Mbin, and arguably flarum and nodeBB) to discuss the wider ActivityPub-based "Fediverse" - those entirely different platforms can pass messages between them, but it is not always so easy or straightforward, e.g. Mastodon is based on people whereas the Threadiverse is centered around "communities" (on Reddit these were called subreddits), so for someone on Mastodon to talk to someone on Lemmy (or PieFed) they would have to jump through several hoops to make it happen (although Mbin eases that process). That's basically the end of my knowledge there bc I don't use Mastodon but I hope that helps to have gone that far at least.

Getting back to the ship analogy, you personally could, in theory, have your own ship, which you could use either privately, or share with a few friends, or even open it up to the public. That "machine" that you use, that "server", in Fediverse terminology is called an "instance". And it will have "admins" who run it, as well as "moderators" who run the communities on it. Also, it will need to pick which variety of software to run, so like there are Lemmy instances, and PieFed instances, and Mbin instances, etc. Sometimes the same admins run multiple of them, e.g. lemmy.world is by far the largest Lemmy instance, and now they have branched out to try out a PieFed instance as well called PieFed.world. It's the same people, possibly running on the same machine or at least you could imagine that, but a different software platform.

lemmy.dbzer0.com is a Lemmy instance, and one day that awesome admin dbzer0 (a real person, though surely that's not their irl name😂) may likewise make a PieFed instance, perhaps it will be called PieFed.dbzer0.com, or something, who knows.:-)

Regardless, the messages will get passed between them. Your choice of instance gives you a different experience bc you are picking a different captain of your boat - maybe you'll even decide to become one yourself - and then yes the software that is run on the instance greatly changes your method of access. e.g. PieFed has flairs (both user and post varieties) and polls, but since Lemmy lacks those, the only way to participate in such is to use that same software, i.e. to sign up on an instance that runs it (or maybe one day Lemmy will catch up and offer all 3 of those? I am sure that it will, but I sincerely doubt it will happen anytime "soon"). Here is an example of a post that uses a poll (and a couple of post flairs, and also hashtags too). Btw the sidebar of that community has some good resources to learn more about the Fediverse if you are interested. But that post itself is not able to be viewed on a Lemmy instance, since it uses a poll which Lemmy does not know how to handle.

And then defederation is a whole other thing. When one captain (admin) gets mad at another captain (admin) for just absolutely REFUSING to respect the rules that collectively were agreed upon - sending spam, harassment of users, trolling behaviors etc. - defederation can be a method of last resort to cut off all communication with them. It stops any messages from that point forward - for good or bad - which can cause confusion but I want to point out that the captain ("admin") is literally the owner of their personal ship (machine/"instance") and so has the right to do as they please with it. And all the more so if the instance is open to the public, in which case they arguably have the responsibility to protect their users from the trolling and harassment campaigns. "Free speech" is never free, someone must always bear the cost, of maintenance, of platforming it, and so on.

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I rarely post but comment a fair amount. To me, it’s only been recent, but I’ve noticed a decline, too.
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I'm in the UK and I am seeing a decline across virtually everything tinternet related. Years of rising rpices, job security worries and just a shift in attitudes has made people far more wary and less time to post, interact etc. plus the modern fragmented web doesn't help
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Also re:lemmy/piefed - there are quite a few people who are very loud and vocal about things, and a lot of the opinions here lean to the left a lot. Not that it is a bad thing, but some folk appear to have got fed up of this and as a result have migrated elsewhere. I like it here, but it can be far from helpful at times
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I recently re-joined Lemmy, so I am not sure how it changed, but I am mostly a Mastodon user and I noticed that people were flooding it in large quantities when something stupid happened on Twitter (again), and then leaving it after a short while to go back to Twitter or quitting social media altogether.
I would suspect that people either started going back to Reddit, or decided to get a mental health break from the internet as a whole (which wouldn't surprise me, the internet is pretty depressing lately).
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I'm actually coming back to Lemmy. I left reddit, but then went back to it with limited participation. And now it's truly a cesspool. Lemmy may not be a perfect replacement, but it feels better. I should have never left.
in reply to El Barto

Sorry to hear your experience was so bad, but welcome back.

The situation with bots and trolls on Reddit is horrific. Do you remember that time a few years back when Russia disconnected their whole country from the Internet? That day there was a dramatic decrease in assholes and trolls. Like, night and day, it was unmistakeable and widely commented on.

So hopefully Lemmy doesn't catch on so will that those folks come here in force, too. For now at least, it's much better.